Beware the internet: On catfishing, deceit, and having your identity stolen

This week has been an internet doozy for me; the fingers on my right hand are cramped and aching from so much texting.  First World problems, I know.

The backstory

It all started this weekend when a woman whom I admire on Instagram created a group DM with 7 or 8 other women.  We quickly bonded and began sharing our IG hijinx.  Faces, names, locations, promises of secrets kept.  I was honored to be included and happy to get to know them.

What I quickly realized was that unlike most of them I didn’t interact with my followers the way they did.  They cultivated relationships, opened up, became friends.  Me, I field DMs with about as much enthusiasm as a toll booth operator.

There’s been one or two exceptions over the past year, but that’s it.  One or two among hundreds, possibly a thousand private messages imploring me for nudes, conversation, and how my day went.  Also, lots dick pics, which never really lure me into a conversation. Mountains of them, really.

Long-necked geoduck clams jammed into a mounds of hairy flesh, big, veiny ones which must assuredly be this man’s dream, lots of dicks flopped onto cold bathroom counters beside cans of shaving cream and toothbrushes.

I’ve always kept my distance from the internet.  Not only do a lot of you come at me the wrong way, you also scare me: you could ruin my life.

I am not ashamed of what I do here, but it would very likely derail my career and that’s not really my objective; I’d like to keep my life on a positive trajectory.  I just want to create and write and be me.  I wish the societal landscape were different, but it’s not.  So I tread carefully and wait.

I am most careful on Instagram and slightly more open here on the blog.  The two are complementary, yet different.  My readers and commenters here are most often other writers with similar barriers to their identities and I openly interact with them in a true spirit of camaraderie.  (Though I nearly always remain Hyacinth, location and vocation unknown.  Does anyone know the sex of my child?  Half of you think it’s a boy, the other half a girl. And that’s what I want.)

With Instagram and the flavor of interactions there I am much more guarded, but this weekend I did everything differently.  Enjoying the connections I made with the women in “The Ladies” DM group emboldened me to respond to more of the average DMs that rolled in.  If it was good for the goose…

The catfish

This led me to DMing someone who had left an intelligent comment on one of my images.  His little thumbnail showed a dark haired, bearded man, but his account was private.  It didn’t register at the time that though he had almost 1000 followers of his own, he was following almost twice as many.

He was smart and kind and I remarked as much.  He asked to see my face and know my name.  I told him he could call my Hy, but I shared a face pic because, as I told him, “You seem trustworthy.”

Clearly, I was out of my mind with a false sense of security because meanwhile, the conversation with The Ladies was roiling along with laughter, more secrets, and a bold, ribald sense of friendships long had, not recently established.  I felt bolstered and confident.  And they said I was pretty.  I hoped it was true.

The bearded man thought so and I preened a little.  “Will you send me one of you?” I asked.  “I can’t see any of your pics.”  I requested access to his private account and waited.

An image popped up in our thread.  It was of him in RayBans holding a red-headed baby.  “I don’t like posting pics of family online,” he explained.  I checked his account and had gained access.  There was no baby pic, but he was gorgeous.

Broad shoulders, fit, thick, tattooed.  He had about 12 photos in various locations. The car, his kitchen, in bed, on the couch with his dog, “Bella.”

“Whoa!  You’re fucking hot!” I exclaimed.  He seemed bashful, confused.  Why would I be gushing like this?  He’s just a man, after all.

“So how do you get almost 1000 followers with only 12 pics?” I asked.  His explanation was humble and reasonable.  He went through phases, maybe some people thought he was good looking or something.

He asked all the right questions and wanted to know why I had chosen him out of 26 thousand followers to DM.  I told him he had been kind and intelligent.  And being good looking didn’t hurt.  He pressed more: why was it such a big deal that he was good looking?

“Because kind and intelligent men are rarely connected to beautiful ones,” I replied.

And it’s true.  Beautiful men, truly jaw-dropping, effervescently delectable men, don’t contact me and write smart and kind things.  I don’t know where they are other than entwined with their equally good-looking girlfriends and wives on Instagram.  The men I know are regular men, often good looking office guys and blue-collar workers who take a chance that a woman they jerk off to (and admire) might write him back.  They work at what they say to me knowing I’m more than just my body and promiscuous ways (or at least I hope they do) and I respond with as much effort.

This guy was a dream come true.  He was all of the above and more.

I said as much.  He laughed it off and asked if we could text.  “No fake phone numbers, though,” he warned.  No, of course not.

We continued to text for the next couple of hours while I sat alone at my favorite hangout.  People streamed in as the sun fell and the chatter around me increased.  I was invisible, as usual, but not to this bearded fella who worked for the welfare department of his county and held chubby babies in his big, tattooed arms.

He wanted to see me in my Niners regalia since he was a big fan.  I told him I’d work on it once home.

I told The Ladies I’d hit the pay dirt in followers and sent them a couple of his pics.  They all agreed and wished me luck.

These internet connections are like summer camp condensed into minutes, possibly hours.  We’re like dogs in the park who sniff each other’s butts, like what we smell, and get to business.  I had no hope of ever meeting this man.  It’s an odd kind of quickie relationship meant only to derive particular pleasures from virtual interaction.

He would likely never touch me, nor I him.  I’d likely never hear his voice or get to taste him, nor him me.  These online dalliances are like a watered down version of real life, an enhanced version of porn, and I was racing towards the edge of the cliff with wild abandon and a detached sense of doom.  This just couldn’t be real.

Once home I began taking photos for him in the Niners shirt I let him pick out.   I started in the outfit I was wearing and showed the progression to the red shirt.  My panties, my body.  He encouraged me as I put on this strange stop-action show for him.

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Hy_niners_cleavageHe wanted a video, so I did one, hiding my face and almost writhing on the bed.  He sent me a pic of a big, beautiful erection pulled out of four-leaf clover Abercrombie and Fitch underwear and I tipped right over the edge.  He said he’d only just found me online and so didn’t realize I’d had a thing for huge cocks.  Again, more humility about his size reassured me he was used to women’s reactions.

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“I just wanted you to see what you were doing to me.  Don’t you dare make fun of my lucky underwear.”

No, I’d never do that.

The deceit

I sent him two more face pics where I was clearly topless, though not exposed.  It was at about this point that I realized something was off.  He wasn’t sharing photos like other men would be and have.

The exhibition now over I asked him to send me more pics of him.  He said he was making dinner.  He sent me a pic of that.  I told him I was unnerved by my sudden sense he wasn’t real.  He laughed it off in a haphazardly defensive way.  “I don’t know why, I’m not interested in playing this game.”

What game?

He asked how he could alleviate my fears.  “Send me a pic of you with a peace sign.”  Easy enough to do in about 5 seconds.  Except he said he’d do it later.

I began to panic.

Eventually, he sent me a black and white photo of him with two peace signs standing in front of what looked like a commercial bar.  When I asked him about it, he said he was at his parents’ house and they liked to drink.  “What about those things on that shelf behind you that sit on table tops that say “RESERVED” on them?” I asked.

He was exasperated with me.  “Decor… look I told you I don’t do these games.  I’m not going to touch my nose and blink twice for you.  Either you believe me or you don’t.  You have peace.  Can’t we just think each other are hot and interact?”

I looked up his images on Google Image Search (thanks, Ferns) and found the truth, but zero peace.  He wasn’t real.

The images were of a beautiful Italian-Canadian man, possibly a model, most definitely a hunk.  And there was the pic of the red-headed baby, this man’s niece or nephew.  And there was the bar pic, in color, with the caption that he was “slinging drinks.”

I felt sick.

I’d done it all to myself.  All of it.  I’d felt all along that it was just simply too good to be true and I wasn’t wrong.  None of it was true.

I was humiliated at my lust and desire for a man that didn’t exist, my apparent foolish nature.  Why would a man like that be interested in a woman like me??   Well, he fucking wasn’t, Hy.

I texted him:

I found Dre Bucci’s IG – the man whose pics you’re using.  Look, your words are still all the same, whoever you are, and I appreciate them all.  Besides lying to me, you were kind and intelligent when you approached me.  I don’t know why you’d do this to me – other than I’m a massive idiot and you enjoy humiliating strangers.  Do I need to worry that you’ll expose me?

He assured me he wouldn’t hurt me, but became angry.

No, never in a million years would you have even given me a glance if I didn’t look like what you saw. Personality in this day & age means squat. Work ethic. All of that means nothing. Deleted. Goodbye. Don’t text back. Your number will be deleted as well

The theft

I spent the rest of the evening backtracking what he could find about me based on what I’d shared with him.  I slept less than 4 hours and missed my morning workout, but felt mostly confident that he couldn’t discover who I really am.  Regret and shame hung on my like a hangover.

Meanwhile, one of the women from The Ladies thread had posted several images she’d captured on Facebook. Someone had commandeered her image to create a fake page and had a few thousand followers, not unlike what my own catfishing friend had done to Dre Bucci.  She’d reported it to Facebook and now had to wait.  She was pissed and freaked out; it bothered her that anyone would go to such lengths to get fake attention.

Her experience reminded me that there are two victims in these schemes.  The ones who take the bait (me) and the ones whose personae are hijacked.  My faith and their person-hoods are stolen.

I understand the psychological need for interaction and for connection.  What I find untenable is the leap to be false in that connection.  Naturally, I would never do that.  I am embarrassingly raw and real at all times.  I flaunt my flaws and my innermost thoughts almost in defiance of judgment.  I fear it, yet I welcome it for it will  allow me to rise above it all, flex my emotional muscles and grow.  These people must not have similar agency or privilege.  It’s my only conclusion.

Based on what I know about the human condition and the angry responses from my catfish (plural) is those who feel powerless will find a way to feel powerful.  Always.

Sometimes it’s overt, but most often it’s a covert operation of manipulation, slight of hand, and passive aggression.  Perhaps my bearded catfish really believed he was unattractive and this was his way of exerting dominance over me, someone he found to be shallow in her own perceived attractiveness and popularity.

He told me his favorite superhero was Batman, a man who cloaked himself in disguise to save the world, not unlike his own alter ego, Vincent.  Except Vincent slayed the ladies, not the bad guys.

The out-of-town catfish was no different.  He was self conscious about his body and therefore relied on another’s to hook me, and my desire for it to be real propelled us through the night despite all evidence pointing to the contrary.

These frauds only work when they land a person whose own insecurities match perfectly with what they’re offering, in my case a beautiful man who wants to know or fuck me.  I’m vulnerable to this kind of attention.  It’s humiliating to admit that.  Am I really so shallow and desperate for a pretty man to validate my attractiveness/worthiness that I lose all reasoning?  Perhaps my Batman was right to be angry with me.

The humiliation at being lured into this dark and murky place of fear, power, and low self-esteem is waning, but it has caused me to redouble my efforts to keep people a safe distance away.  My bearded catfish shuttered his account and he appears good on his word to not expose me, but I am left feeling bereft and a little lost.  The indignity of my naivete is like grit in my teeth.

I have been through so much at the hands of insensitive, thoughtless men, but I liked believing in people’s goodness.  Now I’m left with no choice but to make everyone touch their noses and blink twice.

The takeaway

I am about as internet savvy as they come and if this can happen to me, it can happen to anyone.  I did a number of things wrong along the way that had I followed my own existing rules, this never would have happened.  Below are some basic things to look for, whether you’re trying to hook up with someone in real life or just online.

How to spot a catfish:

#1 – Discrepancy in followers/followed.  Typically, a real person has a reasonable number of accounts they follow that are usually much lower than the number who follows them.  Don’t ask me why, it just is.

#2 – Pictures aren’t consistent.  Look for changes in moles on the body, tattoos moving around or disappearing.  Is the carpet different in every photo?

#3 – Proof.  A real person won’t hesitate to jump through some small hoops to prove their realness.  A peace sign?  Your name written on a piece of paper next to a body part/face?  The image must match what you’re asking for, not an iteration of it.

#4 – Are they defensive about their legitimacy?  This piggybacks on #3.  No one, and I mean NO ONE who is real would ever get defensive about proving it.  In fact, they would welcome the opportunity to prove their realness so you all can move on to the next phase of whatever it is you want to do.

What to do to protect yourself from being catfished:

#1 – Don’t be impatient and keep shit to yourself.  Relax, wait until you’re certain this person is real before you reveal things of your own.  This is such a complicated one depending on what it is you’re going for, but, for example, I almost never tell internet people where I live and without exception I never tell them what I do.  Real life fellas are different because we might end up in a relationship of some kind, but I parse it out and keep my last name out of the equation until it becomes necessary and safe to do so.

#2 – Google Image Search the fuck out of whatever it is they send you.  No explanation needed here.

#3 – Listen to your gut.  Simply put, the rule applies: if it’s too good to be true, then it probably is.

The end

I hate that had to write this post.  It’s sapped my entire week, this fire drill of fear and degradation.  ‘

I’m a fool, people suck.  The end.

 

A 40-something single mother who writes honestly about sex, body image, D/s, relationships, her nervous tics, and how much she loves to fucking fuck. She also likes to show you her tits.

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34 thoughts on “Beware the internet: On catfishing, deceit, and having your identity stolen
  1. Hy, don’t beat yourself up about this. I know it’s scary and it sucks that there are people out there like that, but it happens to all of us at one point or another – technology+horny+pics=one fucked up cock-tail.
    H.H. recently posted…D.I.Y.My Profile

    1. Thanks, HH, but I am going to beat myself up at least a little. I knew better and I was drunk on the idea that a kind, intelligent, AND hot guy would actually want me. I won’t be too tough on me though. Like you said, it’s a fucked up cocktail. xx Hy

  2. Hy, You wrote: “Am I really so shallow….worthiness that I lose all reasoning? Perhaps my Batman was right to be angry with me.”
    While I understand your line of thinking here, you are wrongfully blaming the victim -which is you. You did not lie and deceive, he did. He wrote you beautiful words but never gave you a chance to decide if his “true” looks past your criteria because he never gave you a chance. He made that decision for you when he decided to catfish you. So please stop thinking you are shallow because it is the liar that is shallow, not you. And he was an idiot to deceive you.

    1. Thanks for the thoughtful note, Christy! I agree with you that I didn’t do anything wrong, but what I’m chewing on is the legitimacy of my desire to be wanted by a really attractive man. It’s humbling to know that the very idea of it had me ignoring all the red flags I kept noticing. It’s that part that I’m embarrassed about.

      He was absolutely wrong in deceiving me and I was robbed of the chance to make a true decision. All true. But it’s also true that I felt particularly special because he was great looking. Such a nasty pill to swallow, that one.

  3. “I’m a fool, people suck. The end.” is the story of my life! Don’t worry– I think most of us have had our share of oops moments like those. I’ve definitely been overeager to share intimate photos in the past too–including sooooo many topless face shots! (I’ve since learned, I swear!). I think it’s important to keep in mind, however, that being overly trusting, while scary and sometimes dangerous, is a pretty beautiful problem. Especially when you compare it to the people that are so incredibly untrusting that they shut everyone (including people with integrity) out! Don’t completely close yourself off. I mean be safe and take care of yourself as you need to, but don’t totally lose faith in people. You might meet your IG prince another day, and on that day, you’ll make him jump through some hoops, reverse image search the fuck out of him, maybe ask him to Skype/Facetime, et cetera– but then you’ll feel safe being mutually vulnerable (and naked) and you’ll ride off into the sunset (on his cock) or whatever it may be :)

    You’re human, keep your chin up. The End.

  4. Ugh. The thing I hate most about stories like this is that it erodes that part of yourself that is sweet and trusting. It makes you doubt everyone (which is bad enough), but worse, it makes you doubt yourself, put up (more) walls, question your own judgement, add a(nother) layer of weary cynicism, and I hate it most for THAT.

    Google image search is the first thing I do now with good looking men. The last time I did that and called a dude on it he said ‘oh it was just a placeholder’ (on a fucking dating site… where he invited me to look at his photos to see if I liked what I saw…). The expectation that I was really so stupid was almost worse than the attempt at deception. And even if the image search turns up no matches, if his photo is too staged, too neat, too good, I will ask for a selfie. Generally I never hear from them again at that stage.

    As for whether it’s shallow: Maybe, but I doubt many of us are immune to it. If you follow my blog, you’ll have seen how I almost literally lose my mind over pretty men who come after me with sweetness and intelligence. My brain just stops functioning. I’m okay with it.

    All that to say: Fuck that arsehole!

    Ferns
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      1. Don’t worry, that’s not because of you, that’s because those three qualities almost never exist in the same man.

        Kind
        Intelligent
        Hot

        Pick two. That’s how it works.

        1. Y’know what’s sad?
          That you’re not wrong.

          But ya know what’s even sadder..?
          That there are guys out there who will “continue the cycle” — that is to say, WE make this a self-fulfilling prophecy, almost.
          (And I’m glad you used this word, too – “almost”!)

          It’s MORE THAN POSSIBLE to have Al Three (Kind, Intelligent, Hot) – but, for example, guys who “know” they’re “hot” just need to take a step back and stop being big-headed / assholes for starters..
          Kindness is easy. Stop being a dick.

          Lack of Intelligence can be corrected with education; assholes just need to stop making fun of those with learning challenges, and either muck in and help or get the fk out the way.

          Hotness is more than just a hot body; there’s an “attitude” that (we all expect) goes with it.. but, again, you don’t need to be an asshole!
          A “hot body” can be built.
          For some, more easily than others, but it’s still Possible.
          And if you’re already smart enough, and a decent person, this third is actually “easiest” to achieve.

          Closing note:
          I don’t care what religion you keep, what country you’re from (unless you follow/adore Kim Il-sung, Jong-Il, or Jong-eun..!), or what colour your skin is — as long as you’re #NotAnAsshole..! >_<

  5. Thank you for being so open and making yourself so vulnerable in this post.
    This thing sucks, but… writing about it may help many, including people like me who know better but may fall for it just like you did, for no other reason than the fact we would never dream of not being truthful, so it wouldn’t come to mind that others are.
    I’m glad you’re safe. And thank you for reminding us how to stay safe ourselves :-)
    XO
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  6. Dear Hy,
    I’m sorry & saddened to read this.
    I’m sickened, too…

    I’m struggling to find anything substantial to say which I feel would be supportive / consoling enough, beyond what feels far too shallow:

    Everyone makes mistakes of varying degrees.. This one is a tough lesson for you to have experienced and, while I’m a guy, I’m disgusted to the pit of my stomach that this dishonesty has occurred..
    But, as a guy, I know full well that he won’t be the only guy to catfish one or more target women, for the sake of connecting, attention, fantasy, etc…

    His point may be valid — that many (but not all) women would not give guys like him the time of day if they shared their REAL pics… It’s human nature (also influenced by mass media) to compare everyone to (media-promoted) “ideals” of “perfection” and “beauty” and “fit-ness” / “hot-ness” etc..
    And “personality” takes time to learn from another person..
    And, in these days of text messaging, smart-phones, immediate gratification, patience is in devastatingly short supply.

    However, there’s NO EXCUSE to lie to anyone about who or how you are, or look, to take advantage of them in any way.
    It’s highly disrespectful.

    I anticipate he might even read this comment, if published..

    To you, sir, I must say I’m disappointed and let down.
    For all the decent guys out there trying to just be honest — and I’ll presume you’re a decent guy AT HEART too, BUT you gave up that decency for immediate gratification, at someone else’s expense — you have made guys’ reputations even worse in general. *sighs*

    Dear Hy,
    Thank you for arming the innocent with guidelines and a tool for defending against this…

  7. I have a Facebook friend who is pretty Internet-savvy, too. She had just escaped from a horribly abusive marriage, and met a guy online. She gave very little info for several months, but they talked on the phone a lot. He told her he lived 200 miles away, but in reality he lived 20 blocks away. Since I’m not Internet-savvy I don’t know how he did it, but he got her IP address and began draining her checking account and sending anonymous threatening emails. This went on for several weeks when he slipped up and said something about the color of her car. Her daughter called in some friends and found him. He’s now in jail on previous charges of stalking, domestic violence and kidnapping. Her charges against him will be federal, so he’ll probably incarcerated for a long time. She, on the other hand, is a mess and has decided she should never leave the house again. It sucks that we all have to be suspicious of everyone, doesn’t it?

  8. Stellar looking guys don’t have to be kind or intelligent, any more than stellar looking girls do.
    It’s the imperfect ones who are most worth knowing.
    Thank you for sharing this.
    (I feel embarrassed in the light of all the other commentators. you obviously have a circle of loyal friends!)

  9. You’re not a fool, people can suck at times. What a bugger of a thing to happen, sucks to be him. Come down under for a visit Hy, all the kind, intelligent hot, Aussie men would be wanting you!

  10. Its happened to me and it sucks. But for him to be as upset as he was is so annoying! You were the one lied to, not him. Understandably he commited an asshole action and it doesn’t stop you from feeling how you feel. But imagine how crappy his self image is to do something like this? Chock it up to a lesson learned hun and do not be hard on yourself for it. xxx
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  11. We all make mistakes. Small mistakes. Until we make bigger ones.
    We’re all attracted by some fame, especially in the bloggers world – otherwise we’d use a paper diary – and in the same time juggle to keep our privacy and anonymity.
    There’s obviously a serious conflict between both, and I assume most of us look for the rare person(s) we’ll feel good talking to, while speaking from the top of a roof… A bit like talking to a friend over the food court, not by phone that is …
    Anyways. Be careful. Most bad moves are harmless. Some are terrible.
    Happy to read you again…

      1. Email you…? I’d have to find your email in my paypal expenses from 2 years ago… I think you took me for someone else, but I still loved the little heart :-) And yes, I was following your blog, 2 years ago… then I quit from the blogs. And I’m back, and reading again, learning the Neighbor’s gone – expected – and many others filled the line… Well, at least you cannot talk about routine ;-) You can email me if I’m the one you think I am. You have the email.

  12. Well that sucks. Sorry to hear that all happened to you.

    I didn’t realize, though I’m not surprised, that you have so many followers on IG. I’m flattered that i’m one of the few that you follow back!

  13. oh ((hug)), this is an awful situation and the exact kind that would make you doubt yourself and other people. but at the end of the day, the place where you were coming from in your heart was real and wonderful…take this as a lesson learned that you can apply to all the things you seek that will come to you and will be worth it. xxx
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  14. I don’t have a whole lot more thoughtful stuff to say than has already been said on this. I’ve been so incredibly lucky in my meetings and online connections. I think I will learn to be a bit more cautious listening to you and Ferns and others… But it saddens me to be so.
    And yes he judged you by chosing that approach and Lieing. He didn’t give you a chance but assumed in advance despite your interactions how you would be. More fool him. Not you.

      1. yeah maybe it’s just the odds of it, seems unfair to have happened so close to the other deceiver… I know that’s not how statistics works… but there we go.

  15. Hy,

    I came across you blog by accident a few months ago and I’ve enjoyed reading about your life experiences. To be honest, I had no idea there were blogs like these out there to explore. Most blogs I’ve encountered write about career, family, and travel adventures. Even so, it is quite nice to see someone so fearless and so adventurous. It is so refreshing to read about something so passionately. Fear, unfortunately, has ruled most of my life but you take it with stride. It is almost as if fear is your catalyst, as if it drives your sense of self and adventure. I wish I could be so open. For instance, I love sex but I few people know of my freaky side. It is something I’m often ashamed of and hide. All that aside, I really enjoyed you post today. It showed a deeper side that most people keep locked away in fear. It is unfortunate what happened, I can only imagine the intense anxiety that set in. I wish you nothing but the best. Thank you for expressing yourself and being honest. If only more people were honest.

    1. Thank you so very much for this kind note, TT. Am I fearless? I don’t really know… I suppose to some I might be; I certainly barrel on, don’t I? Have you ever tried Fetlife? There are lots of people there who would welcome your freaky side :) Please don’t be a stranger! xx Hy

      1. Hey Hyacinth,

        You’re right, in my eyes you are a fearless person. I can be timid sometimes but I’m a pretty open guy. I don’t know if freaky side is the right term. What is considered freaky? Is hair pulling, spanking, and stuff like that considered freaky? Thank you for replying by the way. I can’t wait to read your next blog. :)

  16. It isn’t the first time I’ve heard a story like this, nor even the tenth, and it makes me laugh each and every time. I’m not saying this to be mean, but so that people realise, once and for all, that “Internet savvy” is mostly an illusion. Being careful, being guarded, and being wary can carry you a lot further. Being untrusting can virtually guarantee a problem-free existence on the Internet. But this goes against how some (most?) people want to use the Internet. You know the people. “People. People who need people. Are the luuuckiest people… (ahem)”. So I don’t think we’ve seen an end to stories like this. Rinse and repeat.

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